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Poster: buscameby Date: Apr 19, 2011 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

While eating breakfast in Boulder last week a Dead tune played in the background, surely not unusual for Dotts Diner.

One of my favorite waitresses who I hadn't seen in almost 8 years was working, she is a good ole hippy girl who teaches yoga more now than waitressing.

While my friend Phil and I waited for our order we discussed plans to see Dark Star Orchestra Friday nite. I thouhgt I'd found a site to buy 4 tix for $60, a much better deal than the 32 plus bs charges, FOR A COVER BAND?????? W T F?

I like seeing DSO but for a price thats reasonable- 20-25 bucks. SInce we only had 3 interested I ask Luna if she'd like ot join us, she's a ole Head too.

With the straightest look on her face she thought about it and then said, I paraphrase' Nah I don't like DSO or Furthur JK is too good, he never misses a note or nods off or messes up the lines, its to sterile for me.'

After laughing my ass off, I thought about it, maybe that's why it doesn't sit well with so many folks, maybe they should all push the plunger and recreate the mess Jerry was in, on to many nights as the years rolled on.

Just a thought to ponder........ hmmmmmmmm

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Poster: august_wst Date: Apr 19, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

I'd buy that. It essentially explains why I have the mid-to-late 70's shows but everyone else loves them.

When I try to explain my reasoning to someone who is going on and on about some '77 show all I can say is "they sound too clean and polished during the mid-to-late 70's, there isn't that "raw, dirty, dark, anything can happen feel of the late 60's, early 70's and early 80's that I love."

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

She hit the nail on the head with one comment - "it's too sterile for me." Warts and all, Jerry brought the "soul", the real emotion often lacking with some of the latter day incarnations.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Soul is definitely one thing. Great artists have that, 'je ne sais quoi'. Even when you go see the re-incarnations, and we love our boys, they don't have Jerry. Which means they have no mojo or swing.

Why do so many artists need desperation/ the edge to produce great art?

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Apr 19, 2011 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Your question is rhetorical, of course... Call it what you will - soul, emotion, mojo - some people have it, some don't. I think someone could play a JG solo note-for-note, on his guitar, but you would know it's not Jerry, just from the way he phrases, sustains, bends notes, plays accentuated triplets, etc.

Related- Interesting if somewhat wonky article in today's NY Times - they've actually tried to study the emotional content/impact of music and its effect on the brain, with comments from artists like Paul Simon and YoYo Ma. Subtlety and surprise are key elements; JG had those in spades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/science/19brain.html?_r=1&;ref=todayspaper&pagewanted=all

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Poster: ducats Date: Apr 19, 2011 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

its not something they need - its who they are

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 19, 2011 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Good point. If JK was looking to truly "cover" Jerry, he'd have to immediately start on the Grover Cleveland All-Twinkie Diet and stop bathing.

In the mid 80's when they said Jerry brought the Funk, they weren't talking about George Clinton.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Ha ha ! I About 5 years ago a friend, said it this way ,"Paul Mccartney needs to eat some meat, and Eric Clapton needs to get back on smack "...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Apr 19, 2011 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

hahaha yup I like the warts and all . . . it's always fun when the verses get confused

"He kicked my Eye & blacked my Dog":
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-01-07.nak300-wagner.miller.87739.flac16

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

You mean that isn't the line? :)

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Poster: Skobud Date: Apr 19, 2011 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

JK may be a little sterile I suppose, but Bobby misses more than enough for the whole crew and then some. Every single time I have seen them he misses; Wrong key, botched vocals mostly - like missing entire parts of tunes...Furthur has its share of f*ck-ups for sure.

I will say that is a good point though. Jk rarely if ever misses and comes off as a little too squeeky clean or something.

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Poster: mush72 Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Seen DSO once, with no need to see them again. A friend had an extra, so why not. Seen Furthur twice. While I enjoyed them, I've said to friends that you never get that feeling that they're going to fall off the rails...then get it back just at the last second. That was part of the magic of the Dead.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

It's got to be a good insight if she had it at Dot's Diner! Is it still in that dinky place on west Pearl or has it upscaled?

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Poster: adedhed68 Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Hey now, I saw furthur last September and Bobby completely spaced out and lost his place during Let It Grow. The crowd went nuts.....loved it !!

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Poster: buscameby Date: Apr 19, 2011 8:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

They have two now, one on the Hill which is pretty dark and old Boulder, then they have one out in North Boulder at Valmont in a mini mall setting, still pretty grunge but more not the old Gas Station feel!!!!


DOTTS BISCUITS AND GRAVY RULE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Large Southern*S*

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 19, 2011 9:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Any musician who hardly seems prepared to dip a toe out of his comfort zone is scarcely worth listening to as far as I'm concerned, no matter how much technical ability that musician might have. All the excitement comes from standing on the edge of the cliff - not keeping well back and admiring the view.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2011 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Bingo; this is largely why the early is better preference is so universal with me (CREAM, DEAD, etc)...those days of early age, experimentation, blah, blah, blah, just aren't to be captured again.

We can argue whether there was actual degradation, or whether in some ways it was "refinement" (ie, technical abilities argument we've had so often: do you peak at 25-30? etc, etc), BUT this "x-factor" is the ace in the hole for me...

When we put these together with "youthful energy", I say AGAIN, that early is almost always better, whatever era, whatever band you pick...I know there are exceptions, but to me they only prove the rule.

Youth, energy, experimentation, rebellion, mass cultural exploration; these all came together to provide something special. And whatever it was that the DEAD were doing by the late 70s it just left me flat, even if BD2 and others can find fantastic musical abilities, and even accomplishments that surpass the early days.

Sterile is a nice term for it; IMHO.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Apr 19, 2011 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

Absolutely - the raw energy of a 68 St Steve/Eleven is the absolute apex of a band that was just tripping over itself in its total need to get across the fact that it had something to say and it had to be said NOW, and whether or not they had the musical vocabulary to say it they were going to be HEARD. Energy, emotion, the willingness to fall flat on your face when you were attempting to fly - these things weren't to be recaptured as the band moved from adolescence to adulthood.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: Apr 19, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: could this be why some don't like JK and Furthur

This post is going to stir up the pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hahahahahaha!